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Pappus harmonic theorem

At projective harmonic conjugates you have inserted the alternative "Pappus harmonic theorem" without reference. We would welcome this contribution with reference, since it would help clarify the history of some ideas in mathematics such as inversive geometry. The Pappus chain shows there may be reason for your assertion of the Pappus harmonic theorem as that topic also relates to inversive geometry, but without a reference this assertion is just that. Please supply a reference retract the assertion.Rgdboer (talk) 20:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

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John Kennedy Toole

Hi Dickdock. I just wanted to inquire about your recent revert of my minor edit to the John Kennedy Toole page, which was a bit puzzling. Yes, the Pulitzer is referenced later in the article. But as the primary proof (and proof in itself) of his notability, I thought it should be referenced in the first stanza. I'm surprised that you apparently disagree, and I think that precedents in other pages support my point. When I did some spot checks at [Category:Pulitzer_Prize_winners], I saw that the first three entries (all the "As" in the alphabetical list) mention the Pulitzer prize in the first or second sentence. Also, at least one of them specifically calls the subject "Pulitzer-prize winning", so I'm not sure how the construction is "Unusual". Any insight as to your thinking here? Celtechm (talk) 17:23, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Celtechm, yes you're right, they do mostly highlight the Pulitzer early on. I put back your edit in the second phrase, cos I do like the nice clean X was a [nationality] [whatever] format. Feel free to revert me! Cheers Dickdock (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for putting that in. I like your treatment better anyway, as it relates the award to the awarded-work. Celtechm (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
• Not sure how to respond to your notes to me, so I'm responding here. If this isn't the appropriate place to do so, mea culpa. Re: Toole edits and Amis: I've read TWAC, if that matters, and can't be bothered to argue the "resemblant" issue any further. The word sticks out like a sore thumb, but you seem to have a special fondness for it, and more to the point a passion for this point of argument, so there it is, as Amis would say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markdery (talk • contribs) 14:56, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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Seriously.

Stop PoV pushing just because YOU don't like the term and find it controversial. The term British Isles is *not* used for any purpose other than GEOGRAPHICAL purposes by almost everyone in the UK and elsewhere. This rather sad and deluded agenda the Irish and their plastic paddy Irish-American cousins like to push is nothing but Anglophobia to make the Brits seem like neo-imperialists. Got news for you buddy, we owe the Irish nothing and I have no guilt. Ta.--85.211.120.118 (talk) 02:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

British Isles...

... is the article title, and as long as it remains so there is no good reason to circumvent it other articles. If you have a problem with the term, it is at the British Isles page that you should be trying to change it, not at the unrelated Trinity College, Dublin article. You have also broken WP:3RR. You should re-revert, or I'll request administrator intervention. Thanks. — Jon C.^ॐ 08:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll ignore your first two statements as they appear to be things you've just made up. There are several good reasons not to use the term, the primary one being it's controversial, as mentioned on the page. It is also unnecessary, intrusive, divisive, outmoded and increasingly ambiguous. As for WP:3RR, I have no experience in edit-warring and zero expertise, but I'd guess we've both probably broken it or something similar. It was you who initiated the change on 7 March 2013. I am trying to restore the original, inserted on 17 January 2012. I'm not going to re-revert. Dickdock (talk) 10:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Made it up? If a name is good enough for the title of an article, it's damn well good enough for use in other articles. You have made four reverts in the last 24 hours. Really quite simple. — Jon C.^ॐ 10:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks

For sorting out my lefts from rights on the Ghent altarpiece. When I give people directions it drives them nuts - I'm seriously dyslexic in that regards. Also thanks for sorting out the virgins & Dorothy is in the sources so a good addition there. I think MM is considered a martyr, but still reading about that section and it can be sorted later. Truthkeeper (talk) 18:52, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much Truthkeeper, glad to do a minuscule bit to help your (and ceoil's) amazing work on the article, the altarpiece certainly deserves to have an FA article and given your track record it will no doubt get there. The MM bit I sourced online at [1], but your sources are a lot more authorative and comprehensive so didn't want to dilute them with too many random ones. Anyway it was mildly amusing that she ended up for a while among the virgins, as here in Ireland at least she's kind of considered the patron saint of "fallen women" (hence the infamous Magdalene Laundries), but of course things could have been very different in 15th century Flanders (or 15th century Ireland for that matter). Now how do I get out of this paragraph...should I turn left, or right, or..... Dickdock (talk) 00:00, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Ha, just noticed The Magdalen Reading so of course you knew all that! Dickdock (talk) 00:59, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I didn't know about Magdalene Laundries - that's an interesting article. Thanks for the kind words - Ceoil has done most of the work there and I think it will be a slow build. It is coming along though. Truthkeeper (talk) 12:35, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Bowie Re Hendrix

Bowie being introduced to Hendrix (as an unknown) is "random unintegrated datum"? I don't agree, but rather than tit for tat editorial changes, I'm open to hearing your detailed views on this. Thank you Matthew.hartington (talk) 20:35, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree that Bowie meeting Hendrix in 1967 could be interesting, but as given it was just plonked down as a bare fact with a primary ref in the middle of a passage on 1967 with no relation to what was around it and no development eg. how was Bowie affected? If it can be developed and woven into the the flow (preferably with secondary refs) then I think it would be a good addition. Dickdock (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

• Actually, that's a very generous reply, and I do agree with the rather stark insertion, my one reservation at the time of addition. The source is from the current V & A exhibition, "David Bowie is", also confirmed in the recent Bowie publication "Any Day Now: The London Years". The text of the article (prior to my intrusion) flows really well - if you can develop the new fact into the existing narrative, then please do. I feel that you are living this article in much greater depth than I am at present. Thank you for your help and very kind reply. Matthew.hartington (talk) 21:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much, not sure I deserve it. It's in Cann's Any Day Now? That's interesting, I don't have that, and looking at various rave reviews of it it looks as if I should. Does it expand on the meeting at all? Anyway as soon as I get my mitts on one I'll ... ponder the situation! Cheers! Dickdock (talk) 00:00, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, it's mentioned in the book, and apparently, Bowie had a negative reaction towards Hendrix, writing a scathing review of his performance which was printed in the Record Mirror [The book contains many fly-on-the-wall day-to-day situations which can make it a ponderous (though thorough) read if you're not an obsessive Bowie fan]. There's also a report in a recent News of the World article which says that Bowie carried Hendrix's guitar into the afternoon rehearsal at the Saville Theatre(simply to gain admission). I'll see what else I can dig up on this and report back in case it can help your conclusions. Many thanks for taking this on board! Matthew.hartington (talk) 04:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

• I've looked further into this, and came up with a piece rather more fleshed-out. What do you think of this for inclusion? Obviously, if you can improve on it, or think of a good way to integrate it into the existing piece, I'd be most grateful:-

"On May 7 1967 at a Saville Theatre concert, Bowie was introduced to Jimi Hendrix backstage by his musician friend, Billy Ritchie. The meeting does not seem to have changed his mind about Hendrix’s performance, as he then wrote a negative review, calling Hendrix “the tentacle-headed flower show from Greenwich village”, describing his playing as “the emotion-filled E chord of Mr H”. The piece caused a stir, and was printed in Record Mirror, complete with photograph of the then-unknown future Superstar. Even at this early stage, it seemed that Bowie had a gift for obtaining publicity". Matthew.hartington (talk) 07:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I shouldn't really comment since I haven't got Cann's book yet but I'd definitely leave out the phrase "then-unknown future Superstar", and probably some of the other detail as well. I've tried previewing a few variations but they all look out of place in context. In fact the strokes are so broad in the article and so much stuff is left out on this period of Bowie's career (and other periods) that it's really hard to see how to integrate it without beefing up the section considerably, which would be a good thing to do but would require a fair amount of work. Dickdock (talk) 13:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you for replying so promptly, very nice of you. Cann's take on it is pretty much covered by what I wrote here. The reason I mentioned the then-unknown part was the huge irony of the meeting, considering what lay ahead in the future, Hendrix being blissfully unaware that he was meeting a future Superstar. It does sound like you feel it's not ready for inclusion as yet, so I guess we'll both have to think further on it. If you can give me any clues as to how you see the "beefing up", I'd be grateful, though we're probably of like mind on the question of not cluttering the article with too much relative trivia. Many thanks Matthew.hartington (talk) 19:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

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Johan Cruyff

The quote is about the standing of Cruyff and his foundation from a head of state. Its not about anything about Peres himself regardless of how controversial he is deemed by some. I concurred with your edit in removing him from the lede (i had done so previously) as it belongs in the outside football subsection.Carlos Rojas77 (talk) 12:54, 12 Septembet 12014 (UTC)

The quote belongs nowhere, it's just photo op waffle. What expertise does Peres have about the standing (or anything) of Cruyff? (And the quote is by Peres so of course it drags him and his controversy into it.) Dickdock (talk) 12:47, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

The quote is solely about Cruyff and his work outside football from a head of state. To see anything beyond that is subjective. I actually didn't put it in though I did remove it from the lede which was reinstated by another user. Comments from notable figures/leaders appear throughout Wikipedia, should they be silenced if deemed a controversial figure by some?. I'd take any issue to Arbcom.Carlos Rojas77 (talk) 17:48, 12 Septembet 12014 (UTC)

Please address my point. What expertise has Peres on Cruyff? Dickdock (talk) 17:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

The quote is about Cruyff's work outside football with his foundation, clearly he knows about it and him. Can only say again, comments from notable figures appear throughout Wikipedia, if you think anyone deemed controversial by some should be silenced I'd take it to Arbcom. There's nothing really i can add.Carlos Rojas77 (talk) 18:18, 12 Septembet 2014 (UTC

So he knows no more than any joe soap about Cruyff's work outside football? Then he is not quoteworthy in this context. Dickdock (talk) 17:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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I skipped right over the sentence, "US (without periods) is more common in most other national forms of English." Since Bowie was British, I'll cede your point. 🖖ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 02:45, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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